I am loving the transcript feature! Thank you for offering this!

I'd say C&D

The poll only allowed for one choice.

That was a basic question. I think there is a belief that unbundled is about intensive and not cost effective.

I think that it depends on the jurisdiction.

Labour intensive

It surprises me that attorneys wouldn't be aware. My impression is that clients don't understand this is an opportunity.

It's sometimes not an issue of being unaware - but an issue of understanding how it might work or might not work for any particular lawyer or practice area.

I have concerns about 'coaching' the clients as to their gong to court themselves as I fear that they will say "my lawyer told me to say" and this is where the issues start.

it is possible to document that one merely drafts documents, and doesn't 'coach'

and I agree that the agreement should include what we don't do.

The complaints I hear with attorneys in Alaska being unwilling to do "unbundled services" is that even if the attorney uses a limited entry of appearances, the attorney gets roped into doing more without assurance that they will be getting paid. For example, the attorney agreed to appear at a particular hearing, but during the hearing other things come up that now the judge and the client expects the attorney to do, including at the hearing itself involving a deeper dive that the attorney did not anticipate. The attorney wants to cut bait. The judge is resistant to letting the attorney "out", even with the filed limited scope agreement, because it makes the job for the judge easier if the client has an attorney.

And put it in plain English!

Limited Scope Toolkit: http://chicagobarfoundation.org/pdf/resources/limited-scope-representation.pdf

It is critically important to outline, to the extent possible, what the lawyer is NOT doing because those tasks remain the responsibility of the client.

And keep in mind that even the most sophisticated client is not processing information as well as usual when they are under stress; and that's the reason they come to lawyers in the first place. So stating what might otherwise be considered the obvious is never time wasted.

Is there a resource that provides a clear guideline for practice areas *not* advisable for unbundled services? It sounds like criminal law is on that list. Additionally, if a lawyer is doing mostly unbundled services like “mediation coaching” - is this more “legal consulting” vs. “practicing law”? Thank you !

I appreciate your response!

Your state and local bar practice management advisors - free and usually confidential bar membership benefits - are your best source for information on how to best do this.

Thank you all for an informative panel!

Thank you!!

Thank you very much!

thank you!

THANK YOU for your perspectives

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Hi everyone! Thanks for joining us. Apologies for the strangeness here. We are using the same Zoom link that was used for the first session, so need to stay on mute until the webinar begins. Do any of the panelists have any last minute questions?

Hello Stacey and Judge O'Grady--glad to be with you both today for this panel! Pat

Hi, the pleasure is all mine. What a great turn out. Organizers deserve congrats.

Yes, great to be with you too!

Will the CARPLS slides be provided to the program attendees?

sure

Hi Bill, Yes, the CARPLS slides will be made available to attendees.

Could Pat please address how CARPLS handles conflict checks? In that high-volume, fast-paced, courthouse based model I wonder whether conflicts can sometimes get missed and how they've addressed ethical concerns around that issue.

Thank you!

My recollection is that with the debt clinic is that the attorney would give people a piece of colored paper with the identified defense on it. The judge knew the code and could ask more questions of the defendant who was tongue tied. It seemed like a really helpful strategy.

Would some of the issues we’re discussing be addressed in part if nonlawyers could own legal businesses. Might Walmart/Costco/Sears etc do a good job of providing consumer legal services, and giving lawyers jobs?

For ERP project — are landlords also getting legal advice from the panel?

Ms. Wrona: do you mind sharing your local “mediation partner”?

Is there a cost associated with this program (Cook County Legal Aid for Housing)?

Hi Laura, I see that you have your hand raised. Do you have a question you’d like to ask?

If yes, can you please type it into the chat?

Great program! Is there a link to this “night court” program? Thank you !

You can find materials and resources here: https://iaals.du.edu/events/unbundled-legal-services-new-normal#tab=materials

Hey this is Katherine Alteneder. SRLN will do a write- up on CHgo and KS programs like the one we have for Ak erp. Our writer will reach out.

Congratulations to all! Really awesome

Indeed so. Great job one and all!

emeritus?

What about pubic service announcements of this newly available form of legal assistance?

Here is another example in Minnesota: https://mnunbundled.org/go/1

And here is another example from Colorado. At some point in the process, potential clients can filter attorneys by those who have indicated that they offer unbundled services: https://www.licensedlawyer.org/co.

I am in BC Canada. Unbundling is quite new for us. This was very useful to get a sense of how it can be better integrated with the court process. Thank you.

If anyone else in the audience has examples, please share them!

If you want to learn about how unbundling can be a win for practitioners, join us for the first section on Thursday!

Question for Pat: in Chicago, with no income qualifications, how do you provide unbundled services to both parties? Do all litigants qualify for legal aid?

Thank you all for an informative and inspiring panel!

Hi Emily there is no income limit for this one in court program, as it is funded by the county. so all those litigants are eligible for that program. After that two weeks, then if legal aid were needed after that income would apply!